We’ve got Julie Lythcott-Haims, author of the book Your Turn: How to be an Adult on the show, to talk all things grown-up: raising self-reliant kids, facing our underlying shame and anxiety around “adult” things, and how to live out the lives we truly want in midlife—and beyond. This is  pretty intense episode—one of us actually cried during taping—but it’s so, so good. So do listen in, on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts. And please do join our Patreon, because we’ve got a load of fantastic exclusive content coming this fall.

Jenn and I are talking about what a mid-life crisis really looks like in this episode—and how it’s different from the way it’s portrayed on TV and the movies (and may or may not involve crop tops). Plus: Learning to slow down and eschew productivity, what motivates us as we get older, the simple pleasures of proper house care, and how the hell to stay relevant and in-the-know when you increasingly maybe don’t care?  Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts.