Jenn and I are having a conversation about what it’s like to be hated, about learning to love your enemies, about forgiving our own younger sins, about tattoos and old friends but not tattoos as old friends, about the perfection of Pamela Adlon and her perfect show Better Things. Plus: AA adages! Boring tales from therapy! Jenn gets called a “psychopath!” Kim gets called the “biggest bitch I’ve ever met!” We accept these things and move on! Do listen in, on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts.