Jul 19, 2021 - But I digress...
Jenn and I are chatting it up this week with one another, and here’s what we’re chatting about: the overwhelming desire to escape; MTV reality stars of the 90s who’ve pivoted to become shamen; vexing anti-vaxxers; how your relationship to ambition changes as you get older, and so very much more. Do tune in, on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts. And please do join our Patreon, for all sorts of fun and exclusive content!
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Kim France
I was born in Houston, Texas in 1964 and have lived in New York City since 1988. I had a long career in magazines, working at Sassy, Elle, New York, and Spin, and in 2000, I founded Lucky magazine, which I edited for ten years.
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I was born in Houston, Texas in 1964 and have lived in New York City since 1988. I had a long career in magazines, working at Sassy, Elle, New York, and Spin, and in 2000, I founded Lucky magazine, which I edited for ten years.
Funny that you laud Eric Nies on this show while castigating anti-vaxxers. Nies is a TOTAL Q-anon, anti-vaxxer, garbage-spewing “wellness” dude. Completely full of s**t. I’m assuming you haven’t listened to many interviews with him. He is the absolute WORST, most bulls**t kind of “woo woo” guy imaginable. And all about the conspiracy theories. Ugh. He was more tolerable when he was on The Grind, for crying out loud. But I can see how he could fool people who haven’t really seen much of what he’s put out there. They made him look better on Homecoming, I suppose.
Another really worthwhile podcast! Always fun to listen to just the two of you.
As always, super fun.
Now that I know what Kim’s voice sounds like, I read this blog hearing her voice. Am I the only one?
When you and Jenn give us a chat episode there are always a few things you two say that get me thinking. In a good way. Since you were talking about what you’ve been watching, I’ll recommend “Us on Masterpiece,” a 4-episode British dramedy I loved. Its funny, poignant, sweetly corny story is wrapped around a glorious travelogue of Europe. Get it on PBS or buy on Amazon.
Another GOCA recommended this on what are you watching and I agree – I gobbled it up. I loved the actors a great deal, drooled over the European setting, and could relate to the story having a teen son.
The narcissism of people who won’t get vaccinated is the worst – they want attention and have everyone fussing over them for making terrible decisions. Giant toddlers.
Still wanting to see a pic of Romolini in the jumpsuit with the faces painted on — that she saw on the Wolf and Badger site but ended up getting from the artist’s etsy store — that she described on the Andrea Linnett ep.
I want a Romolini style post on her instagram (hint!) ! I want to see her fun fashion sense!! Very much agreed.
Really didn’t like those declining vaccines being repeatedly called “assholes”. Very nasty and kind of stupid. These are experimental use authorization only vaccines with very abbreviated safety testing. They are not approved. The companies that are making them have no liability for their products, despite making billions in profits from them . These same companies are paying off billions (yes, billions) in fines from other medical products that they have produced which caused harm and death and which they knew beforehand were dangerous. In other words, they are convicted of multiple felonies. In this situation, questions are important. To talk about ‘science’ when there is widespread censorship of doctors and virologists with any view that does not agree with the official position is absurd. Science has always been about discussion. While there are valid reasons for taking the vaccines, there is certainly coercion in groups such as college students for which the risk and lack of long term safety data make no sense at all. In addition, TV stations have been estimated to derive 70 percent of their income in non-election years from Pharma advertising—obviously not a situation which encourages impartial reporting.
The FDA approved the vaccines.
Over 99% of people who are dead from Covid were not vaxxed. Calling those declining the vaccine “assholes” is not necessarily accurate, I would say that they’re ignorant.
Yes, y.k., ignorant is accurate, but I’d probably say “willfully ignorant a-holes” (you are a kinder person). And, I’m guessing those among us who have lost family members to Covid desperately wish those family members had received the vaccine.
And *you* are a kinder person than I am, because I have a whole string of expletives inspired by Scottish People Twitter that I am more than happy to use, both privately and publicly. C has an autoimmune heart issue so I come by by saltiness honestly.
While I don’t agree with your anti-vax position, I do think the CDC has done an atrocious job with coordination and public comms (esp with mask, not-mask). I’ve been in STEM since the ’90s and understand the scientific method and making decisions with a velocity of incoming data and I find their process to be a bit baffling. That’s why Fauchi is on what seems like a never-ending media tour (that and the lower-than-expected vax rate), although he seems to enjoy the attention quite a bit.
The unwillingness to sacrifice one’s fear of some unknown potential side effect to do one’s part to stop the spread of a virus that we know is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths of your fellow citizens is totally selfish. The unvaccinated act like the only people their choice affects is their own, and that’s clearly not the case. Your choice not to do your part means businesses will continue to suffer, people will be forced to go back into isolating lockdowns, and yes, you will make other people sick. How is this not the attitude of an asshole?
What drives me insane is you KNOW all those conservatives putting the fear of god into their audiences like Tucker Carlson (who when asked the question on air refused to answer) are vaccinated.
I think we probably came across a little harsh and I feel bad about that, but for me this is super personal as the person who is not getting vaccinated is a VERY close relative and, under all of my anger, I’m worried about their health (in addition to thinking this stubbornness and distrust of the vaccine is ignorant and wrong-headed).
I haven’t listened yet, but, re the non-vaxxing … I am fine with it if they stay home or socially distance. If they enter closed spaces, I am *not* fine with it. Even with a mask, I just don’t want them around. We all have to try our best to carry our own baggage. I know some non-vaxxers, and I don’t think they are bad people. But, I don’t want to stand too close either.
A great episode – I love when the two of you chat and appreciate how open you are with us.
Kim – what will you do with your essays that were going to go into the book? Will you publish them in another way, perhaps online? Really want to hear more of your stories from the Lucky days.
Ditto – I love your interviews but I especially love listening to the two of you chat – especially about fashion! Q: how do you (fashion critics) determine when it’s high fashion and when it’s just plain cuckoo?? Like that renowned stylist Marni Senofonte? She is coveted by stars but sometimes when I look at what she’s wearing, it’s like, huh…
Bot Kim, but I think how a person chooses to style themselves is very different than how they would/will style their clients. Like in hair salons, the stylist may have 14 different colors in her mohawk but that isn’t what she’d recommend for you.
Great episode! I, too, love listening to just you two.
How’s Tally Abecassis?
From what we hear Tally is super well, busy, and enjoying her dream job!
I loved the discussion on ambition. I am currently in a job that feels like war/whac-a-mole and that I fantasize about leaving every single day. It was nice to have these feelings validated and to know there is a more peaceful existence on the other side.